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Parenting 3: Media | Marriage & Family Series 7
The digital age presents unprecedented challenges for families seeking to raise children with strong faith and values. When does convenience become captivity? How do we protect our children's developing minds while preparing them for an increasingly digital world?
These questions strike at the heart of Christian parenting today, and the answers aren't found in simplistic formulas but in biblical wisdom and intentional practices. Wisdom is truly "the principal thing," as Proverbs reminds us, especially when navigating the complex digital landscape with our children.
Before we get started, let's just go ahead and pray. Heavenly Father, we just thank you for this evening. We open up our hearts to you. We open up our minds to you as well, lord. I just thank you for having your way and, lord, that we have supernatural hearing tonight, that we can hear the things and make quick changes, we're quick to obey, in order to make changes in our attitude towards media, towards protecting our kids, protecting our own minds and guarding our eye gates and our ear gates and what we see and what we hear. Lord, we just thank you that the spirit of deception is broken tonight in the name of Jesus, lord, that there's power and utterance in our words as we speak them and we're oracles of you and your word. And so, lord, there's power in your word that has already broken every yoga bondage Lord destroyed it, in fact. And so, father, we just thank you that it's in that premise that we start this conversation about media in a godly home, in Jesus' name, amen, amen.
Speaker 1:Well, I just wanted to go back a little bit to James and Claire. Last week. They did a really good job of covering this scripture in 2 Timothy 2.20, and it's right there in front of you. But in a great house, there are not only vessels of gold and silver, but also of wood and clay, some of honor and some for dishonor. Therefore, if anyone cleanses himself from the latter, which is the dishonor, he will be a vessel for honor, sanctified and useful for the master, prepared for every good work. Who wants to be useful to the master? We all do right, so we need to be prepared by being vessels of honor, and so I just wanted to ask you tonight what are you filling yourself up on to fuel your spirit, your drive, your dreams, your desires? What's fueling you? And it starts with you, and so I know Selena will be talking about that a little bit later. And it starts with you. And so I know Selena has a beat. We'll be talking about that a little bit later.
Speaker 1:But you know you say oh, jay, it's just a small porn addiction. It's just, it's no big deal, everybody does it. Or it's just a little Instagram thing I like to. You know I just binge watch real after real. But it's OK, it's, I got it totally under control, I can stop at any time.
Speaker 1:No, the habits that you have with media you definitely carry over to your kids, you know, and maybe it's not something like that. Maybe you're just a workaholic and you bring your work home with you every night and you never spend any time with your kids and all they do is see you, you know, frantically responding to text messages over and over. Well, you're not you're. You're setting them up for failure because they're seeing that example, and so we're going to talk a little bit more about that. But it all starts with us, and so you don't have to be fearful or ever feel overwhelmed.
Speaker 1:You know, uh, I think the devil wants to tempt us sometimes to feel overwhelmed with technology because, let's face it, by the time your child is I don't know 13, 14, 15 years old, they probably can do more with their phone than you ever thought you could, especially for the grandparents. I know we have several grandparents raising their grandkids without the influence of the parents, and that's a really big deal. You feel overwhelmed oh my gosh, I have no idea how to do this. And so you don't have to be overwhelmed ever. You have the Holy Spirit that's living on the inside of you and we're going to get into some of those nuts and bolts, but having that relationship with your child and that team effort to manage those devices, amen. And so it all starts with you.
Speaker 2:And so number one it all starts with you, and so, number one, you can take it away, selena. Okay, number one, teach the value of wisdom and discernment. And everybody should have gotten the notes. Proverbs 4, 7 says wisdom is the principal thing. Therefore, get wisdom and all you're getting get understanding.
Speaker 2:And then also I didn't put this down uh our youth theme is healthy habits, and the theme, our theme, scripture, is the ephesians 5, 15, uh, where it says be careful how you live. Don't live like fools, um, but like those who are wise. And so if the bible is telling us not to live like a fool, that means we can't be a fool, and so the times evil. And so we want to make sure that we're teaching the value of godly wisdom. And so practical application is encourage children and teens to approach digital devices with wisdom. Help them understand the importance of making good choices when using technology, such as discerning between healthy and harmful content, and a tip on that is just provide opportunities for open discussion about potential dangers of internet cyberbullying, inappropriate content, and teach them how to identify trustworthy sources. And so you know what we grew up in the 80s, I was born in 78.
Speaker 1:And so you weren't supposed to say that. No shame in my game, that's all right, you know, um, I grew.
Speaker 2:So I, I grew up, I was. My parents were strict. Hey, my parents were strict. I was not allowed to have a tv. Um, I was hardly allowed to watch, uh, tv, um, and definitely not like you. I remember being a kid and trying to watch it, like right here, and my parents would be like you're going to go blind, you know, don't get in front of TV. And I didn't have a TV in my room. Eight years later, my brother comes along and he's allowed to have a Nintendo, but that's OK, that's another subject. My parents are a little more, but that's okay, that's another subject. Um, my parents are a little more lax with him, but we I, both of us, Um, so I'm not here to tell you like, I'm just here to.
Speaker 2:We are here to give you biblical uh, what the Bible says, um, about this and and what we can do as parents, as grandparents. And even if you don't have kids, you probably have a phone, right, so you may don't have little ones to set boundaries for, but you need to set boundaries for yourself, right? And so we want to make sure that we're using wisdom. And so our kid, we have young adult kids, kids and so when they were younger, we, we didn't allow them to have tvs in their rooms or laptops. Thank god they didn't have phones, and that generated till. They got a little older but we put. That's what we did and I'm not saying you know you, you do this and you're you know this. This is what, this is what we, we did, and so we want to make sure you know those devices.
Speaker 2:Like you can do the research, right, you can do the research and scrolling and what that does. You know the dopamine hits and and scrolling all the time and it decrease. You know the kids, their lack of focus and their attention and sleeping and all of those things. There's a whole slew of things. If you just look up the stats, the stats are scary, Right and so. But thank God for the word of God, Thank God that you know maybe you're a parent and you've allowed your kid to have a phone or whatever the case may be. But you know the good news is kids are resilient, right. Any bad habit you can break, they can break that off and their brains God formed it's called neuroplasticity and their brains can. It's like amazing what God can do. You know in the brain, Like it. You can. Maybe you've you've made some bad choices, but today's a brand new day and you can go going forward. You can teach your kid, you can break those bad habits.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you can break those bad habits.
Speaker 1:It's not too late?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's not too late, and so every parent needs to find the proper place where technology fits into their family and it doesn't look the same for every family or every season, but we want to make sure to guard our kids. You know, this world has an agenda and it's not a good one. Just like a little heads up. It's not a good one, it's an evil agenda that this world has through. This little thing right here, that's in your pocket, 24-7, right, most people sleep with it. It's the first thing they, the last thing they see when they go to bed, first thing that rolls around, not just for kids, I'm talking to adults too, right, and so the world has an agenda, but God is greater than that world's agenda. We want to make sure that we are wise when it comes to the use of technology and then also modeling that for our future generation.
Speaker 1:And just like, spiritually speaking, we're not going with the world right, and even politically speaking we're not going, you know, along straight on with the world. And the same thing goes with the way we treat our media and our phones and our devices, ipads and so forth and so on. So if you came here tonight and you're looking for a specific formula on how to parent, you're not necessarily going to find a simple formula. We're going to encourage you to follow the Holy Spirit. Like, maybe you're wondering at what age should my child have a smartphone? Child have a smartphone? Well, the second that you give your child a smartphone, no matter what age you decide, that is, you've kissed their childhood goodbye, especially if you're going to give them an unlocked device that just is free to every single piece of information and nastiness that's out there, but also just like very big statistics. Every year you wait to give them a smartphone. Their sat scores go higher and higher and higher. It's really exponential. So just think about that. There's all kind of stats out there.
Speaker 1:We have a couple of really good books that are listed in your resources tonight navigating our digital world. Both of these books, though, they're about eight to 10 years old, and so the stats in them have deked, like they've gotten worse, much worse, and so think about that as you're reading these, and so think about, like, in eight years since this book has been written, tiktok is a huge thing. Our attention span has even gotten shorter. Right, all you sit around and just watch reel after reel after reel. You used to binge watch netflix five years ago and that was a big thing, these you know and then older shows started making their comeback. That was kind of around covid time, right. Well, we're here, we are five years after that, and the attention spans even less, because all we do is binge watch reel after reel and then all the algorithms kick in and you, you know, and you're stuck watching on like one subject over and over again.
Speaker 2:Not us, though, speaking by faith. No, I'm just kidding, um.
Speaker 1:So we have to, number two, set healthy boundaries and limit excessive use. And so Proverbs 25, 28, and the NLT says a person without self-control is like a city with broken down walls. You know, um, self-control is a fruit of the spirit and it's not fruits of the spirit, it's fruit of the spirit. So all of those fruits are really one fruit and they go together. And so self-control is something that is grown Right, and so we're teaching that to our kids, we're modeling that behavior, but we're also teaching that of how to set boundaries and limit excessive use, just as a city oh, I said that already Set limits for daily use.
Speaker 1:So just, I wrote down some practical things. I just had a couple of stories as well. But drive time is conversation time, and that was always true with us as well. And go outside, life is an adventure. You can watch movies, you can watch YouTube channels, or you can go outside. Life is an adventure, you know. You can watch movies, you can watch YouTube channels, or you can go outside and live your own life, and so you can watch somebody on TV having a good time, or you can go out and have your own good time. Which one is more lasting, which one is going to create a memory, a lasting memory with your kids.
Speaker 1:And so I just had a couple of things here. Pick hobbies that bring your family together. Especially when you're younger and you have a younger family, you know, if you pick a hobby that's got you traveling away from your family and doing something by yourself, that's just not a very healthy thing for your kids. It's adding to the stress of your home. So, like I put some examples down from camping, fishing and biking, et cetera, like we did all these things, we've been camping in more than half of the state parks in Texas. We used to have a Texas state park pass and we would go all the time all over the place, and you know little things like Even took me camping while I was pregnant.
Speaker 1:And that was not a very good. I think I was like seven months with Allison while I was pregnant and that was not a very good experience.
Speaker 2:I think I was like seven months with Allison. It was cold. I'm like this is the last time I will go tent camping.
Speaker 1:It will be no, it wasn't the last time, but the lasting memories that we still talk about, that we still have, of camping and hiking and so forth. But, uh, I just like using a small example when ethan was really little, we've always liked to drive. We've always liked to drive long distances. That came from me too long of a story to add to that. But, like um, he liked swing sets and playgrounds. So we would find the best swing sets and playgrounds everywhere. Wherever we went, we would pull off and find a city park, a state park, a county park and uh, and so that was kind of our thing when he was little. And so, uh, and and hiking too.
Speaker 1:I remember one specific time we, we hiked, uh lost maples, uh state park in the hill country and we had our dog with us and the kids were like maybe like 11 and whatever, seven, seven years old and 11 years old, something like that. But it was just ended up being a really tough day. We, we went up the trail, the the wrong way, and we, we went up the steep side first and it just took forever to get to the top and and um, and the kids were tired and complaining and for some reason there was something on the inside of me that wouldn't let us quit. And so you know, at first I wanted to turn around, so we just made it through that whole day.
Speaker 2:You knew lunch was around the corner.
Speaker 1:Yes and so that chicken fried steak at Lost Maples Cafe over in Utopia. I felt like I earned that thing. But there's certain situations, seriously like that. You can teach your kids grit and determination. We set a goal as a family. We all had the map. You know. Nowadays you have an app for that right, like AllTrails or one of those hiking apps that you can have on your phone that tell you where the start of the trailhead is and you don't have to guess and just walk around aimlessly for hours. But anyways, you get what I'm talking about. All right.
Speaker 2:Number three Number three foster relationships and connection over entertainment. Philippians 2.4 says don't look out only for your own interests, but take an interest in others too. So don't let screens distract you from real people, and that's ultimately what they do. Practical applications encourage kids to use technology in ways that build relationships. So video calls, relative sharing, scriptures, and then a tip create family activities or challenges that involve digital devices in a productive way, like creating a family blog or video series. That way, technology is used as a tool for connection, not isolation. So technology in its proper place, when it's used, helps us bond with real people we have been given to love.
Speaker 2:It is out of its proper place when we end up bonding with people at a distance, like celebrities who we will never meet, and usually that person on the screen is not the person who says. They are Just a little heads up, right. So it's not that celebrity, it's not that person, it's somebody else, and usually they're trolling for your kids. So why would you hand a kid, a child, a device? And they're easy prey. And so you want to make sure that you're very careful, yes, over your kids, but also we as adults, who that person says they are, is not? So technology out of its proper place when it prevents us from talking with and listening to one another. Technology in its proper place only when we use it with intention and care. Technology does not stay in its proper place only when we use it with intention and care. Technology does not stay in its proper place on its own. It takes intentionality, being intentional with it. It requires a strategy, and preferably a written one, a written strategy?
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, for your kids and for yourself, right? Maybe it's having a real alarm clock instead of having your phone right by your bed, right? A little old school right there, but sometimes I'm old school and old school is cool, right, and so it requires being intentional and having a strategy.
Speaker 1:Number four I just wanted to back up just on the practical ideas. I'm just going to read a few out of this book. Um, screen time meaning, uh, one screen time meaning, uh, everyone watching the same screen, often a movie or playing video games together, without screen multitasking or regular video chats with extended family members who live far away. Another idea is have family game nights when members of the family take turns choosing the games but try to mix up. Mix up a tech game versus a non-tech game.
Speaker 1:And then another idea was encouraging your kids to look for apps that might resonate with what they are already passionate about. One family's daughter cataloged every book in their home using a library app. It worked out well because she loved to read and was interested in working for a library someday. And then I'll have one other like thing of wisdom out of this book. It was about you know when you're working in front. I think I said this earlier maybe, but when you're working in front of your child and they see you talk out loud about what you're doing, let them know. Especially as they get older, there's details that you can share. But it said about one third of the time what I'm doing on my computer is for them. I'm emailing one of their friends stepmoms this is from a female's perspective to set up a play date, or I'm registering them for baseball camp. So I narrate that I'm doing out loud so my kids can hear hey, candace, I'm signing you up for piano lessons and so forth. So just do it out loud. And then, obviously, the more, the older they get, when they're, say, like eight or nine, you can start sharing vivid details of your day, what you did, what you know. Hey, my boss came in and asked me to head this project up. Look at the pictures on, you know, and you show them some pictures of what you're working on and you get them interested.
Speaker 1:Wow, you know, I was. You know, we didn't have phones when I grew up. So I wanted to be just like my dad. I went to work with him every time I had a chance and and uh, and he tells those stories. But really, if he was talking to somebody, I was listening to his conversation, I was, I was thinking, I was trying to think through things like he would think about it, cause I wanted, I wanted to emulate him. And so your kids, whether you know it or not, they're like that and so, um, like I said earlier, when you're in the car, that's conversation time, and so dig deep, try to, you know, have real conversations, amen.
Speaker 1:So are we on number four? Okay, guard against negative influences. So first, Corinthians 1533, do not be misled Bad company corrupts good character and the New King James evil company corrupts good habits. So monitor what your children are exposed to online, including social media, games, websites. Teach them that the digital world can sometimes influence their character negatively, and so encourage a sense of identity in Christ, rather than seeking validation through comments and likes. And so I just wanted to.
Speaker 1:You know, um, one of the biggest advantages of having these meetings on Wednesday night that we didn't that I okay, I won't talk for my, our staff, but for me, I didn't think about this is your kids are here an extra night a week, and so they have midweek service, and so Allison is coming back with all these reports of the difference that being able to learn about God one more night a week, and just how important that is. And so you never, you know, the devil tries every day to steal their identity. Their identity is in Christ, and so it's good to remind them every single day, and so, um, we're backing that up. We've backed that up with our kids, obviously, but you know, we all need to work on their identity. Working in youth. That's the number one thing that we see is they don't know who they are. They don't know who they are in Christ, but they're totally in a whirlwind every day from constant whether it be friends or you know different peer pressures influencing them to be someone they're not, and them having to stretch themselves into be something and someone they're not, and so there's so many of those influences that we have to guard that negative influence, and so our identity is in Christ, and so there's so many different directions.
Speaker 1:We could go with this conversation, but just anytime your child is obsessed with one thing, you know we deal a lot with Pokemon because it's still around. I can't believe it's still around, but it's still around. And so parents, they don't realize the effects and the demonic influence that can have, and it takes, it takes over, and it's so quick, and their child is addicted and, um, and then it begins to affect their attitude and they just think they blame it on something else, and really it's Pokemon. And so I don't know why, like I'm literally, I'm not exaggerating 20 years ago, you know, we were having issues with that, and my dad, you know, cast the devil out of this one kid two different times because of this addiction, and could not believe the parents, they wouldn't take responsibility, uh, for allow, oh, he, just he wanted it back. He was crying.
Speaker 1:What are you talking about? You're the parent, it'd be a parent, and so, uh, it was so difficult the second time to go back, because the devil, you know he comes back, you know 10 times stronger, and so, um, it's our job as parents to guard from the demonic influences and refuse to be you. You know, weak on the on on that you're. You're the parent, you're not the friend, like claire was saying the last two weeks. You know so, be the parent and so, uh, a positive influence on kids. I forgot to cue, you're not ready are you?
Speaker 1:okay? We had a video playback. I forgot to there we go. We'll play it at the end all right um, but yes um that's good number five basically do your research.
Speaker 2:Like if you're gonna give kids some cards and if you're gonna video game, like, do know where it comes from, know what it means. Pocket monsters, that's what pokemon mean. Like, just know, do your research, know your stuff. Right, it goes back to wisdom. We want to be wise. God, god, you know we don't want to be fools, we want to be wise. God, god, you know we don't want to be fools, we want to be wise. And so, number five model responsible technology. Use Ephesians 5.1,. Imitate God, therefore, in everything you do, because you are his dear children. Follow God's example, and so practical application. Children often learn by example, so it's important for parents to model healthy technology habits. If you're going to allow your kids to have a phone, now, my two cents like I would wait as long as you can to give a child a device, especially a smartphone okay, especially I just need to be able to contact them.
Speaker 1:There's all kind of different phones you can buy. You don't have some questions to ask? Why do you?
Speaker 2:need a phone, what you know. So there's just some questions to ask um a family and your child and just you know of, yeah, of why they need a phone. But practical application so they learn by our example. So limit your own screen time, avoid excessive phone usage around the kids. Prioritize face-to-face what jay was saying and if you're on your laptop working like, tell them you know, but why you're doing it, you're emailing or whatever you're doing. And then a tip show your children how to use technology responsibly. Searches such as turning off notifications during family time, you know. Placing phones in another room dinner time, no, you know, sometimes we go out to eat and we see everybody on their phone in certain restaurants and well, everywhere really. But it's just a good to model that. You know. If we're on our phones during dinner time, how are we going to tell our kids not to be on their phones so like we just have to model.
Speaker 1:You know what it says to your kid to even have your phone on the table while you're eating. You know go put it away and just have that. Be a tech. You know free environment where you can talk and not be interrupted. You know so many times it just um that happened to us the other day. A whole a family came in and they literally never talked to their kids. Their kids were both had each had an iPad and they had their phones. They didn't talk to each other and like I was wondering why did they come out to eat? I mean, I guess they needed food, but like there was no communication, like zero, I'm not exaggerating and so that's so sad.
Speaker 2:Family habits form and sometimes, you know, life gets busy and we just go and go and go, and this is the easy thing to do, and here, get a device and move on, and but no, god, you know we are stewards. God has made us a steward over. We don't own those kids. They are God's kids. And so it's what you are doing with God's kids. They're not yours. You're a steward over them. And so we're either being a good steward over his kids or we're not being a good steward. We're just putting them out there to the wolves, right. And so and I wrote this down, I meant to put it under my number three but who and what we expose our children to will shape who they become and what they believe. And so if we constantly expose our kids to bad attitudes, over-sexualized image, perverted thinking, ungodly values, you know they're going to drift apart from God. And so we want to make sure that we don't expose them to those things and even expose them to other people, friends or neighbors. We just have to guard our kids and guard our family unit and guard our children. And so it's really important. And then, number six promote content that encourages faith and values. And so Philippians 4, eight and the new living says. And now, dear brothers and sisters, one final thing fix your thoughts on what is true, what is honorable and right and pure and lovely and admirable. Think about things that are excellent and worthy of praise. And so application encouraged kids to consume digital content that uplifts and aligns with biblical values.
Speaker 2:Christian music, podcast, bible app, church. You know podcast, bible app, church. You know podcasts. And so you know my phone's a love-hate relationship because I'm over all the digital social media of the church. Certain, my God Votes well, allison handles the kids, but youth, sometimes with Youth Against Hunger, and so I'm creating content and a lot of my personal pages also. You know content. But also with the teenagers, like I tell them hey, do you have the Bible app? I'm going to show them with the Bible app. You know just different apps and church podcasts.
Speaker 2:So we want to make sure to promote that. You know that. They know that that's out there if you choose for your child to have a phone, but again, this is to me this would be later on as they're older, you know but to because really, I mean we could sit here and talk techie, all like. These are the, these are the, these are the website, these are the perimeters, these are the filters that you have to put on your phone. But you know what? They have a friend who knows to go all throughout that, and they could have a friend that just you hand them your phone and hey, like, take this off. So like you just have to instill, build character, and so we do that biblical. You know Bible through the Bible, and so, yeah, we have to make sure to promote, um, faith-based content. Amen, do we want to go over these two?
Speaker 1:yeah, we can go over these pictures so that the what you're seeing in the two pictures underneath the resources in your notes are, um, the dendrites that are in your brain that begin to form after three to four hours of consecutive activity. And so you see what your brain looks like before that activity. And then, on the right, it's after that, four hours of activity on lots and lots and lots I'm sorry, lots and lots and lots of activity. And so how do you want that to be built on the Disney, disney plus app? Or do you want that to be on learning an instrument or painting a picture or learning to be an artist? You know positive things, and so the amount of time that it takes to to connect all those dots, if you will, is a long time. And then it goes down, and you can see it in the next picture Adolescents with internet addiction display altered brain function connectivity and decreased connections within all three major cerebral lobes that are involved.
Speaker 1:So it's affecting your kid's brain and so it's affecting their development, and so it's better to not have that addiction to begin with, amen.
Speaker 1:And so you say, well, it's hard, and really everything that you there's so many different things you can do, even even well, if you say you know, jay, there's so many good apps out there. It's just an ipad and and it's not for very long and but there's so many different things you can do before you hand your kid an ipad, you know that's old school. I think, like um, I kind of laugh sometimes because recently we were at a Rhema event, a Rhema alumni event, and Allison. They asked Allison to talk and they thought she was going to bring, like you know, about children's ministry, you know, like she was going to bring out the latest technology and she still brought out, like you know, felt characters and puppets and they're like because our kids, kids, that's what they love, that's what they, they, they want. They're tired of the ipad, they're tired of being entertained, they want the anointing, they want all the singing and and and they and some of our classes.
Speaker 1:We still do the flannels with the bible characters on the flannel board, you know why would we, you know, but yeah, why would we put them on a screen?
Speaker 2:go to journal search and put you on a screen for an hour and a half like we're not going to do that right.
Speaker 1:We're gonna the old just be babysitting class and just watch a movie, and so, um, the same thing goes in your. There's all kind of arts and crafts that you can be doing, that you can be teaching while you're cooking, that you can have a craft table set up that's nearby that and they're working on something. And, um, and that's nearby and they're working on something, and that's way better than them just sitting in front of a screen. And so just think about that. It's just simple changes and whatever you're going through was no harder than your mom or your grandma or your great-grandma. You're not out on a field trying to get corn to grow in the middle of summer field trying to get corn to grow in the middle of summer. You know we have easier lives now that with all the other technologies that keep us cool and ac and so forth.
Speaker 2:So think about that, you know and it's, you know, when you're on the phone like you're less active, and so we want to make sure that we keep them active and playing and doing things. Um, so we printed out some questions, but I also wanted to mention the teen questions which really, after I printed, I'm like you know what? These are also adult questions, but I just I don't know if y'all got the teen questions, but I thought they were good. I just wanted to go over a couple of heart, like what's the first thing you do when you wake up? Talk to God or check your phone? Do the things you watch or scroll through draw you closer to Jesus or distract you from him? Uh, these are just kind of good questions to ask yourself and ask your teen Um, are you the same person online or as you are in real life?
Speaker 2:Uh, do you post or like things that go against what you believe as a Christian? Uh, how do you treat others online anyways? Um, and then also after that, we have some parent if you grabbed a GWC parent resources. A lot of times people ask us like what's a good Bible for kids? And so we put those down there and devotionals and resources for kids and then also books for parents. We have these two listed, but we also have different ones. If you have questions, you can ask us about those.